The symposium is now underway.
Participants (in alphabetical order) include:
Leigh Alexander http://sexyvideogameland.blogspot.com/
Robert Ashley http://www.myspace.com/icometoshanghai
Tom Chick http://www.quartertothree.com/fp/
N'Gai Croal http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/
John Davison http://www.whattheyplay.com/
Jeff Gerstmann http://www.giantbomb.com/
Kieron Gillen http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/
Dan Hsu http://sorethumbsblog.com/
Francesca Reyes http://www.oxmonline.com/
Stephen Totilo http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/
I trust you will recognize these names. In addition, journalist, photographer, hip hop activist, and radio host Harry Allen ( http://harryallen.info/ ) has agreed to contribute to the conversation when appropriate (i.e. whenever the fuck he wants). We're fortunate to have him.
This is a big, ambitious project that will span several months as the following paste should suggest. In the meantime, Mitch Krpata ( http://insultswordfighting.blogspot.com/ ), Troy Goodfellow ( http://flashofsteel.com/index.php/2008/12/01/reviewing-criticizing-and-games-media/#more-1112 ), and Michael Walbridge ( http://etelmik.blogspot.com/2008/12/shawn-elliotts-questions.html ) offer their insight in response to questions taken from the Review Scores and Reviews Vs. Criticism sections.
**The invite**
Subject: You're invited...
to participate in an email-based symposium on the practice and politics of writing game reviews.
Categories:
Review Scores
Reader Backlash
Reviews in the Age of Social Media
Reviews in the Mainstream Media
Casual, Indie, and User-Generated Games
Review Ethics
Reviews vs. Criticism
Evolving the Review
Optional: Response to Symposium Readers
Schedule:
Ideally, you'll complete one section every two or three weeks, starting as soon as next week. Each section will include five to 10 questions. Rather than regarding this as a questionnaire, we're encouraging critics to consider and react to one another's commentary when so inspired (which will, of course, require volunteers who on occasion agree to respond first). We're welcome to publish categories serially as we complete them.
Structure:
One question/topic every two days
Initial response: one paragraph minimum, six maximum
Subsequent responses: no minimum: six paragraph maximum
Suggestions:
Don't be afraid to throw elbows, name names, etc. Respectful confrontation is a good thing.
Every participant will be free to publish the resulting transcript ontheir respective site or blog.
Try to engage one other in your responses, including asking additional questions where appropriate.
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114 comments:
Yes, this will be a must read. I wish I could contribute, but I am way to new to blogging scene to be taken serious.
Shawn, will you be contributing as a participant or just a moderator?
Juan
Right on.
Looking forward to reading it all. It's certain to be a bloody good read, whether I agree with everything I hear or not.
It's also nice to see such a broad swath of names from all across the industry.
Thanks for helping to put this together, Shawn.
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A Dribble of Ink
Tre Coolio. I'm looking forward to reading Shawn again. Hopefully he'll throw in some brizilliant tripped out metaphors and humor.
A veritable Who's Who of gaming journalism! I'll be reading this with interest.
Nice going Shawn.
"Engines On"
This is going to be fantastic to follow!
Can not wait brother. The list of contributors is awesome.
You've assembled a good group. I hope you won't mind if we second tier people snipe from the sidelines if something really annoys me.
I'm looking forward to this.
Shawn, I'm SO GLAD to see you doing something back on the journalism side. And not just 'something', but Something Big - which is exactly what this is.
Cannot wait to see how this turns out and if I can think of anything to contribute by email i will.
Yo Harry, you're a writer, are we that type?
This looks terrific, I'm really looking forward to it.
This is amazing! At the end of it, there should be a long podcast or video, summarize and extending the manifesto for a beautiful conclusion. Think about it, Shawn!
If that doesn't come to fruition, I'll still love the write-ups! Just make it more friendly, as I'm sure that you should use all forms of communication to their fullest in this idea.
This is like a gaming journalism orgy!! Can't wait to be a part of it
This is going to be a great read. It kinda reminds me of N'Gai and Geoff's Monday Morning E-mails. The funny thing is that if this works, everyone is going to copy it.
Its kinda neat that whatever is discussed here is allowed to be copy and pasted else where. Its like open source games journalism.
I believe Jerry Holkins is a games jornalist. He thinks critically and essentially "reviews" games on penny arcade. If you could get him on board I'm sure he would add a lot to the symposium.
Nice. I'm looking forward to the results. It's a good collection of voices and opinions.
@Troy Goodfellow: Sniping from the sidelines is not just inevitable, it's essential. In fact, I disagree that you're even standing on the sidelines or that you're even tongue-in-cheekily second-tier--didn't you eloquently respond on your blog to the questions Shawn posted?
We're all implicated in this discussion, even those who aren't directly participating. The only reason we've limited the formal part of this symposium to ten or so people is simply to make the resulting transcripts manageable. But we're also encouraging all of the contributors to post part or all of this conversation on their respective sites/blogs to provoke discussion and reflection as far and wide as possible. So once our responses go live, fire at will.
Great list of topics. I'm particularly interested in responses to the "Reviews vs. Criticism" section. Reminds me of a topic that Chuck Klosterman brought up somewhat infamously about the majority of game "criticism" being just consumer reviews. I'm excited to hear everyone's thoughts on the subject, especially from such a wicked panel.
This is made of awesome. I look forward to following the e-mail transcripts and discourse. This is exactly the evolved sort of web-based content and coverage that I look for as a games enthusiast. Mainstream video game sites and magazines, watch and take note!
Thank you, N'Gai.
I'd invite a dozen more participants into the direct discussion if I wasn't volunteering to manage and edit the project. Thanks for understanding. That said, I will make every effort to bring so-called "sideline" discussion to our readers' attention.
This sounds like a frankly amazing project. I am excitedly looking forward to hear what gets discussed. Go team!
The beginning of games journalism... I am really excited to see the positive wake of this ambitious undertaking.
If we start to adopt Shawn Elliot's theory on videogame writing, will we be called Elliotians?
How about Shawnversations?
no jeff green?
You win the game, Shawn Elliott.
N'Gai:
Of course it was all tongue in cheek; I'm at least 1.75 tier.
I will comment when I think anything needs saying, but there will be so much content here that I've decided to hold my fire until I see what transpires. I don't want to pre-empt anybody or distract from what will undoubtedly be a great conversation.
I'm glad to see that your involvement in game critique and criticism is still going on even though you're in Boston now.
I'm definitely excited to see what comes from this. I'm hoping that it's witty. I do love wit, so much :)
I don't know what to say other than... YES! A thousand times yes. Also, I hope that we can keep up a minimal level of pretension here, you know, to scare off the riff-raff. Seriously though, I really look forward to reading this.
I'm not quite sure how much more I can say that has not already been said in previous comments. Shawn you have put together a fantastic lineup of the industry's most respected writers and I'll add my name to the hat of the people that look forward to hearing what everyone has to say.
Sometime in the future I hope I will be able to participate in discussions that amount to anything close to what the end result of this could turn out to be.
Thanks everyone in advance!
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Maybe we are witnessing the birth of a basic video game reviewing/critic vocabulary and ethic. You can be sure I will follow closely what happens. I don't want to miss, and maybe I'm exaggerating, an historical event. At least in the domain video game "culturists".
Wow, that's an All-Star cast you got going; I know all but one. I can't wait for this!
I would love to be a part of this, but I have only been writing about games for a couple of years. I admire this list of writers though and definitely want to be involved/along for the ride. I can't wait to see what comes from this!
Thanks for putting this together!
Trina
GamingAngels.com ^_^
Wow, I really cannot wait. THIS is the kind of games journalism I look forward to reading, and eventually becoming a part of.
This is going to be very interesting. At gaming.icrontic.com we've been tossing around ideas about review scores, and currently opt for a more organic "this is what I liked about this game" approach. I will be eagerly following this symposium. Thank you for doing this!
Hey hey. I already published my response to your first bunch of questions you posted -- the same as Mitch and Michael.
http://graffitigamer.com/?p=231
Announced via Twitter yesterday.
What other sites have references to this discussion other than those listed in the comments? Want to be sure to catch all!
Don't let the nay-sayers get you down Mr. Elliot. I will readily admit allot of the subject matter seems out of reach for me, but I feel I understand your objective, or am at least open minded & interested enough to be looking forward to the end result of everyone's labor.
I'll update over the weekend. Here are various related links for now:
http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showthread.php?t=49321
http://literatigamereviews.blogspot.com/2008/12/louder-than-words.html
http://www.pixelvixen707.com/?p=642
http://www.gamerswithjobs.com/node/42673#comments
http://www.brainygamer.com/the_brainy_gamer/2008/12/symposium.html
I am now in possession of one fully erect game boner. Let's hear it for elevating the discourse!
I guess this doesn't fall into one of the symposium categories, but there was an article in my local newspaper about violent video games that I _had_ to comment on. This local politician posted a list of "games to avoid" for kids.
Here's the link to my commentary:
http://dissectedgames.com/blogs/c4rrnage/16dec2008/violent-video-games-esrb-and-main-stream-media
Feedback welcome!
This is a very Ziff Davis populated list that doesn't consider the opinions of GameSpot or IGN, the two biggest game review publications. Anyone else see something wrong with that?
@Cedric, outside of Robert Ashley's involvement at GFW Radio and John Davison and Dan Hsu's former involvement with Ziff, I'm not sure where you get the "Everyone" bit of your statement.
I'm looking forward to part two.
I wonder what the discussion would be like if a bunch of movie critics round-tabled on the subject of review scores.
Aww shit, I love symposia.
Oh and you are a bit of a douche-lord. But you preside over a pretty big kingdom. Kudos.
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